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Review of EMG 81 Active Pickup For Electric Guitar

By  Brandon Drury | Published  11/28/2005 | Guitar Pickups
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Are Active Pickups Right For You?

 My Initial Thoughts When I Was Eighteen

Back in 1998, I bought a Jackson Kelly Marty Friedman Signature Series guitar. It came with a Seymour Duncan pickup. I remember taking the guitar to band practice. I must admit that I was totally clueless at this time. I had been playing guitar 2 years and was in a nothing but metal phase which ran it's course and now I seldom listen to it. I wanted no mids and tons of gain. To illustrate how ridiculous and ignorant I was back then, I was using a full stack. No college freshman should ever use a full stack. EVER!!! Basically, I'd give myself a good ass kicking if I could go back. I had my trusty Rivera Knucklehead (which I had no business with at that time) that I still love to this day.


The Duncan pickup had this harshness to it that hurt my ears when using the same settings as I had previously used on a cheap Ibanez Iceman with EMG 81s. The tone was much different. I guess you could call it grainy, but that really isn't the right word. The tone with the Duncan had this gravely sound to it that my EMGs did not have. At the time I didn't like the tone at all. I also noticed that the Duncans had a lot more noise. I had less attack and it seamed like I had to work harder to get the mean palm mutes out of my guitar. Part of that was the fact that my Iceman was a bolt on neck (which generally has a lot more low end when palm muting with high gain). The Jackson Kelly was a neck through design. I put an EMG 81 in my Jackson Kelly the next day.

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You see, somewhere in there I started to evolve from my metal only phase. I started listening to a lot of 80s hard rock such as Van Halen, Skid Row, Guns N Roses, etc. I really got into the tones of those bands. I heard this magic on these albums in the tone. The EMG 81s just could not give me that tone. No matter what I tried (and I got pretty crazy with my tone) I could never just hit an A chord and like the way that it rang out on an EMG 81. So I picked up a Fender Strat Plus Deluxe USA. It came with the lace sensor pickups. I tried the single coil thing for a while, but quickly switched to one of the Duncan JB Jr pickups that fit in the single coil slot. I truly love the sound of this pickup. When I hit a chord and let it ring I can hear all this texture and gravel (that I like). It sounds alive.


My Current Thoughts Of The EMG 81

Fast forward to late 2005. I've recorded and mixed close to 700 songs and now my audio recording site has taken off.. I've seen just about every guitar under the sun. If nothing else, I've seen a nice variety of guitars and pickups and had to spend late nights dealing with them in mixes.


I will say that I've kept my EMG 81 in my Jackson Kelly all this time. However, I will also say that I've bought a number of other pro guitars that I like using much more. So here's my modern take on the EMG 81. In this situation, we are talking about using similar amplifiers. In my opinion, the amplifier makes a much bigger difference than the guitar or the pickup. If you don't believe me, plug into a Fender Twin and tell me how mean your guitar sounds. (I'm serious, you may like it).


The EMG 81 is a great pickup for music that requires maximum chunk in the palm mutes with a high gain, scooped mids type of tone. Even when you palm mute an E on the 7th fret of an A string, you will get this great attack. However, the pickup sounds a little sterile to me. It's missing some character that I wish it had. It had very low noise and tons of output. I don't really care about the output of the pickup because most amps have plenty of gain to spare anyway. The EMG 81 did have more sustain than most pickups which can be great. You can get similar sustain with various tricks on other pickups, but the EMG comes with quite a bit already. I thought that the EMG 81 sounded a little too creamy when soloing up high on the neck. It was missing this aggressive cut to it. So in some ways the EMG 81 is very aggressive and in other ways it's not aggressive.


Personally, I don't hear the sound of the EMG pickup on too many recordings. You can hear it on some of the old Zakk Wylde stuff like No Rest For The Wicked and No More Tears. While his tone is cool, there is something about it that doesn't sound as good to me as the tone on the first Van Halen record or Guns N Roses Appetite For Destruction. Not that you would ever catch me playing AC/DC now, but I could never get the Back In Black tone with any EMG guitar. I had to be using a passive pickup guitar.


You may notice that both the Van Halen tone and Guns N Roses tone do not have powerful palm muting. You can get powerful palm mutes out of a passive pickup guitar, it just so happens that the tone on these two records didn't go for this.


You may also want to listen to Megadeth's Countdown To Extinction. That tone may be a little too bitey for me, but it's a tone that requires a passive pickup. You can not get that tone with an EMG. At least, I never could. Ironically, this tone does not have powerful palm mutes, either.


Also keep in mind that EMG 81s require a battery. The battery lasts a long time and this is part of the problem. Since they last a while, you may forget to keep a spare with you. When these things lose battery power, it's not pretty. It's been a total drag for me at a few shows. This isn't a huge deal, but it's a small strike against the EMG in my opinion.


Conclusion

To some up my ramblings here, I'm not going to tell anyone what pickup to buy. However, I will say that I only recommend EMGs for metal music that requires a ton of palm muting. I don't think chords ring out the same with EMG pickups. You may have to work harder to get the tone you want with a passive pickup guitar, but when you do, I think you can get a tone that exceeds the EMGs for just about any style of music. I don't care at all about pickup noise or output level so EMG doesn't get any points for that. Lastly, these differences are not exactly subtle, but they are not overwhelming. As a guitar player, I was putting EQ pedals before the amp and in the effects loop. I was using compressors here and sonic maximizers there. I did a lot of work on my tone and I think I ended up with a heavier tone with the passive pickups. But when I wasn't going for a heavy tone, I feel a good Dimarzio would almost always beat out an EMG 81.


One last thing. The type of wood, construction,and features that your guitar utilizes will make a huge difference in the way that it responds to different pickups. I do not have that science pinned down, so you are on your own. On a dull guitar, the last thing you want is an EMG 81. Then again, on an aggressive guitar, you may find a Duncan to make this problem worse. Good luck!!


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  • Comment #1 (Posted by Gonzalo Pacheco)
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    This article is pretty poor: there are no comments on the unobtainable high-gain and yet clean sound these pickups can obtain comparing to passives.
    Also, it´s not only about if you do or don´t play plam-mutes wile there are lots of other thechniques ot there -that's why Van Halen prefers passives: because of the feel they have on tapping.
    Finally, you'll not only play the very same technique on every song, so the focus should be wider.
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    Hey dude,

    I just read that you didn't like my article/review/ramblings on the EMG 81. I'd like to discuss the situation with you just a tad.

    I you seam to make a strong case for the EMG 81 sounding clean and distorted at the same time. I'm assuming you are talking about the way you can hear each individual string in every note even when using lots of gain. Is this what you are referring to

    In my experience the amp has a much bigger impact on this than the pickups, but you can hear that the EMG 81s are better at this than passive pickups in a A/B test. Compare a Dual Rectifier with a Hughes and Kettner Triamp and you'll find that even with mega gain and a passive pickup, your chords always ring out cleanly with the Kettner.

    For me personally, that sort of thing has never been that big of deal for me. If I wanted clean and distorted, I'd just mic up a clean amp and a distorted amp. Obviously, I'm in the studio and my situation is different than your typical guitar player.

    What type of music are you liking your EMG 81

    Also, you said you didn't like the article. Could you give me some feedback on how to improve it I sort of took the "story telling" method mainly because it's hard for me to describe sound with adjectives and I really hate when people use "warm" and "cold" to describe tone because it's totally meanlingless to me in most cases.

    I'd love to hear back from you.

    Brandon
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Lehonard Euler)
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    I didn't make it quite clear, but I was also referring to the SNR (Signal to
    Noise Relation) you can obtain on actives -which, despite of my lack of
    expertise in studio situations, I believe it´s a must to avoid using heavy
    noise gates. As for the passives I've heard they have a weak point here
    because the bigger the coil the bigger the output, but also the bigger the
    output impedance and the pickup noise. But I also believe that I'm quite far
    from having heard them all -even though what I'm talking about here is basic
    physics (plase forgive my scientific side on this -I'm an engineer student)
    This is obviously noticeable when you're not playing or when you want a
    quiet sound to go trhu -like a sustain fade out or something -'cos I think
    you guys don't like noise, do ya :)
    I quote this because even though I've used them for a short time there's a
    big difference here. Also the addition of effects to clean your sound might
    end up modifing your tone or loosing something.
    As for te article I thought it was poor because the conclusions were
    obvious: If you're a heavy palm-mutting player (which you might listen to
    Metallica, Zakk wilde, Judas Priest) they all use this pickup, so if you
    wanna sound like them you might buy it. But if you want to try some other
    styles, is it suitable Because I've been reading quite a lot articles on
    this pickup and most agree that it's quite sterile (personally I don't think
    so): It lacks personality -of course people who want their sound to come out
    mainly of their guitars will tell you so, but some don't. So I expected the
    article to have a wider approach on the styles this pickup is suitable for.

    Hope to hear your response, Gonzalo.
     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    Noise

    A quote from the article " I also noticed that the Duncans had a lot more noise"

    As a studio owner for nearly 5 years, guitar player for 10 years, and a guy educated in electronics (2 years of electronics, I quit when I had to start taking English classes) I can say that I can't think of a way where I could care any less about noise. You won't hear it in my recordings. I refuse to use gates on guitars in the studio because they suck the tone right out of the amp in most cases. They are not transparent. However, I must admit that I often clean up guitar tracks by simply automating the volume of the tracks.

    If an amp is THAT noisy, it truely has problems. More than likely the gain is up to infinity which only sounds good on an industrial record (in my experience). I find that anyone with any sense and technical understanding of guitar tone can use Dimarzios or Duncans and not have any problems with hiss. Go to a local bar and you'll see guys using Les Pauls, PRS, Ibanez, etc and 95 of these will all be guitars passive pickups. Is hiss that big of deal I don't think so.

    You have to be careful when applying physics to music. You are right. The noise of a pickup will effect the tone. The problem here is that in most applications "noise" is a bad thing. I'm guessing when designing a DVD player, television, or garage door opener noise is a big problem. However, maybe the "noise" of the pickup is part of it's character. This is the reason that most of us prefer tube amps. From a technical standpoint, the tube has been outdated for 35 years or more. However, the tube sounds better even with greater noise. You may want to look at your favorite records and your favorite tones on those records and see just how many of them used passive vs active pickups on their guitars before you make the noise issue a bigger priortiy than the tone itself.



    Pickup Styles
    What appeared to be stating the obvious by mentioning Zakk Wylde and others who are known for using EMGs, I was also stating the unobvious. I would NEVER pick an EMG 81 as my first choice for any other style. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough. I think the EMGs give mega palm mute attack (even on strings that generally don't have that attack.), but when it comes to ANY other purpose, I think the EMGs are clear losers. Of course this is a totaly subjective situation and there are probably guys with great tones who love the EMGs for other things. I like the "gravely" sound you can get with just about any passive pickup over the EMG for any style but metal and as the article mentioned, many of the coolest metal sounds (such as Symphony of Destruction) use passive pickups. Again, I was trying to give real world, obvious examples of the tones possible with each pickup with the mention of big names. I think saying "Symphony of Destruction" is more meaningful than "graveley" to the average listener because "graveley" is subjective, but the popular Megadeth record is defined.


    If I was unclear in my article, it's because the topic of pickups is not something a person can be clear about. It's an entirely subjective issue. You need to be aware of this. You already have stated that you don't think the EMG 81 is sterile. Great! It works for you. I don't feel the same way. However, as noted in my story, when I was younger and much less experienced, I did not like my Duncans at first. Now I love them.

    I hope this helps understand my situation. My writing is not my strength. If it was, I'd be working for the New York Times or something. I'm a recording / internet guy.

    Get back to me!
    Brandon
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by fireicer)
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    I have to add here I play loads and live by the EMG81/85 combination of pickups and it does lack certain frequency blocks. So you get this real raunchy punch on all low end then you hit that end where you want to pop out you eyeballs with high screaming power and it is missing.

    but wait up a second if you put this pickup into a good amp something other than the JCM900 (which is a phat amp with its processor) something like an amp with good overdrive/master control instead of the traditional Marshall gain/overdrive it returns with not a eyeball popper but a brain rattling crazy sound which makes you feel your bleeding from your eyeballs.

    for the clear crystal screaming sound I use shadow pickups which are much higher output that makes a great difference to passive as well as gives the most amazing sustain as it works a bit like it has a built in expander/compressor to the fact it hold the levels and controls them in a amazing sustain ring that can be heard for miles when the strings are near stopped vibrating. Maplewood body seems to work well as a combination to this effect if you can hear the strumming loudly when you play un-aped put shadow pickups in amazing effect.

    So as to the EMG 81 well it is definitely one of the best but it is not one of those generic pickups. If you want a general pickup this is not it if you want loads of base and vibrations to rattle all your mums china from 10,000 miles away well she will hear it better still feel it. Also make sure your amps speaker can take it.

    As to Brandon Drurrys post here well it is not to far of the truth but I shall say this how do you know what another person hears a sound like you dont I am sure we all percept music and sound different yet similar so one person can love the classic metal sound another the classic rock n roll metal bursts blood vessels and rock n roll makes you drink and take more drugs. LoL

     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    Do you feel like the story is trying to force my opinions and tastes on others While a guitar pickup review is always going to be subjective, I thought I did a decent job of keeping it as objective as possible. Mostly, I'm just sharing my experiences and my opinions about the EMG 81. If you take a gear review as the Gospel, you are missing the point. Add this to your own experiences and those of other people and you'll be able to make your own experiences.

    Lastly, if you do not want to hear another person opinion about the EMG 81, you shouldn't read EMG 81 reviews. It's okay to disagree, but to say that I'm pushing some sort of agenda on the public seams to be quite a stretch.
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by the professor)
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    I'm at that stage of life where I also am deliberating between the EMG81 and the SD JB. I just wanted to say that I thought that Brandon's article was nicely written, as were his replies. He's obviously (to me) speaking from considerable experience and his motives were sincere and heartfelt insofar as he genuinely wanted to convey his careful thoughts regarding this long-standing debate between active and passive pickups. Anyway, that's my take on this. Thanks Brandon!
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by Caleb Churchill)
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    I think article was written excellently as per the authors experience without any noticable bias. Unfortunately, similar to why I read your article, people on the Internet seem to have way too much time on their hands. Expecting anything has only let me down in my postings.
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by thrashmonger)
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    I'm just learning about all this and I truly appreciate you taking the time and sharing your experience. Very helpful/ thanks for doing a good service for aspiring players.
     
  • Comment #10 (Posted by Bunrath Math)
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    As I am in a process of replacing my Jackson US Select Series Soloist (SL2H) with EMG 81/85, the discussion here is very helpful to me toward making my decision to switch or not to switch. But I'll give a try. If they don't work the way I wanted, I'll research other pickups. Generally, I like EMG pickups in the past.
    Thanks
     
  • Comment #11 (Posted by Sven)
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    I quite enjoyed reading the above article and replies, there are always por and cons to active and passive pickups, from my experience , I play 7 string and 6 string, I use EMG 707 (active) on the 7 because it gives that rediculous chunk and definition in the low end, and I use duncans no my tokai flying V to give me a bit more of a high end sound. It really depends on the style of sound you're going for, I feel actives are great for metal, where as, as an example, Joe Satriani playing on actives might not really to the trick.
    It is really an individual choice and there is no wrnog or right here. First you decide on the sound you are looking for, then you get your guitar and pickup (amp) to match that. I hope we all agree on that ;)
     
  • Comment #12 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    Great point! No matter how we put it into words, the EMG 81 and passive humbuckers all have their tonal place. I use both frequently for all kinds of guitar based music. What you like is totally up to you.

    Now figuring out which one you like by reading reviews is a bit tricky, so say the least. You really need to try each pickup out on a guitar very similar to yours to know for sure.
     
  • Comment #13 (Posted by Zain)
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    I agree man, the SD JB and PRS HFS have a lot more character than the 81, but i have gone for a compromise between the 2 alexei laiho style with the EMG HZ -H4- def has more character - check the tone on demos of his signature guitar on youtube
     
  • Comment #14 (Posted by Dan Brannon)
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    Dude, honestly, everything you have said in this is biased. An EMG 81 is used to get a high output soloing sound and to be used in the BRIDGE. That's why its creamy in the neck. It is for guitars that are made of thick heavy woods like mahogany because the bass of the wood and the high of the pickup balance. It matches well with a EMG 60 for heavy guitars and EMG 81's for light guitars. Yes, it is a metal pickup so don't judge it for anything else. Deatheater.
     
  • Comment #15 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    You say everything I have said about the EMG 81 is biased. Fair enough. How would you like to objectively measure the results of the EMG 81? A rule won't work? An SPL meter won't work? I guess I could record a track with the EMG 81 and a track with a Seymour Duncan pickup. Then I could play back the results to an audience. We could measure their brain activity. This would be unbiased.

    You make it sound like I have some sort of agenda. I do not. I never bothered taking the EMG 81 out of my Jackson Kelly for a reason.

    I think you are more biased than I am. I consdier it to be just a pickup. You seam to think it's an idea worth fighting for.
     
  • Comment #16 (Posted by jim)
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    its true that the active pickups dont have a lot of tone but i dont really think thats the point of an active pickup...if you dont need a huge ammount of output than you dont really need it. I think its a great rock pickup though... truly if u are a great player you can make anything sound good even a danelectro. The 81 sounds great played by a great guitarist...tons of gain and great pinch harmonics...i think if you want creamy tone though passive is the way to go. Its not really a bad pickup though, its just not gunna give you a les paul blues tone or anything. But anyways I think its a neat pickup for shredding and powerful rock riffing.
     
  • Comment #17 (Posted by lpb12rock)
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    I've been playing guitar for just over a year now and have had the chance to play many guitars and set ups.
    My own personal favourite guitar(unbelievably) is my Ibanez SA series, strange I know but, it just feels right. Anyways I've recently been interested in 'pimpin'it up! and have had some modifactions done, and my next job is pickups.I've never had the chance to play with EMG's and aren't even sure if there compatable with Ibanez SA's. I have found all this info useful and have took these opinions to mind........But I'm still not sure.Any thoughts on a 81 - 85 combo?

     
  • Comment #18 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    If you mean putting the EMG 85 in the neck, it's usually a great idea. Going back to the article, the EMG 81 can be a little bit creamier than it's image suggests sometimes where the passive pickups have a more screaming type of tone to them.

    The EMG 85 is definitely more creamy than the 81 but still has the great sustain. If it was me, I'd probably be included to put an EMG 85 in the next and then go with something like a Duncan in the bridge, depending on what you want.
     
  • Comment #19 (Posted by max)
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    I'm totally illiterate when it comes down to the electric guitar. I've been playing acoustic full accords for quite some time but unprofessionally. Just read the article. Thank you, Brandon, I am trying to start solos and rythm on an electric and doing some research. So far stopped on Ibanez RG-370 (my price range). Seems to have things I need as for a beginner. what do you say? u can either post here or reply to mryvkov@gmail.com. Any input is greatly appreicate.
     
  • Comment #20 (Posted by Web Surf)
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    I recently got EMG 81/85 and 89s to play around with. I feel that the differences between Actives and passives are --

    1. Actives have more output. Around 1-4 volts as compared to 30-100mV

    This is great for distortion as you can overdrive the stompbox. But is it really necessary ? More output is the same as turning up the gain control of the stomp. Or adding a driver in the chain.

    How does it help clean/blues ? Not Much !!!

    2. Actives have lower impedance outputs. Roughly 10K versus 500K

    This means that they do not pick up line noise. And they can drive 100 mts of cable without high freq fall off.

    But they will act different with older stomp boxes that were specifically designed to load the passive pups.

    Metal is too new and the new metal stomp boxes do not load the pups.

    C) Actives have less magnetic pull. Thats good

    But many other pups have sufficiently low magnetic pull.

    D) Actives have fewer coil turns. Hence they have lower inductance and that translates to higher frequency response.

    This also leads to a flatter freq response

    I am sure that many guitarists would feel this is unreal as they grew up with the traditional sounds of passive pups.

    But it is something that you can equalise away !!


    For Metal music which has heavy distortion, the pup high freq response is not so important. The distortion removes high freq components from the input and generates its own harmonics.

    E) Actives have higher attacks.

    I feel that passive pickups somehow compress the input signal as their magnet gets saturated.

    If you have set up a passive pup and set it up to a particular volume you like with clean settings, then change the guitar to one with active pickups and play with the volume control so that you have the same average volume on a string pluck.

    You will then find that the initial microseconds with the Active pickups are more distorted than the Passives.

    For Metal, this does not matter as the disortion box will compress like hell. But for cleans, you will need a compressor ( Medium threshold, fast action, 10:1) to tame the greater attack from the Actives.

    from above, it is obvious that Actives are great for Metal.

    But it is possible to get great cleans/blues/rock from Actives. The Key is Equalisation and compression.

    And yes, if you play with your volume control at 9 with passives on clean, maybe you can try 4-5 with the actives.
     
  • Comment #21 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    Your technical analysis is right on, which is a nice contrast with my article, which took the opposite approach.

    Of course, the real issue is not how the passive pickups look on paper. The only that matters is if it makes you feel better when you play a guitar with an EMG vs Seyour Duncan vs Dimarzio.

    Unfortunately, there is no tech spec for the way it makes you feel. Either way, thanks for posting all the info, which I thought was right on.
     
  • Comment #22 (Posted by James)
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    I read this article quite a long while ago and just came across it again today. I bought an EMG81 for my guitar about 2 years ago and switched it to my newer guitar basically as soon as I got it. I was in the mindset that the EMG was the sound I wanted and for a while it was. Big bass heavy palm mutes and fast attacks. After a while my style has changed and within the last six months I have considered changing back to passives.

    The first guitar I had the EMG in originally had Dimarzio Evolutions. After moving the EMG into my new guitar my old one just sat there. I picked it up one day and noticed how great it sounded. The Dimarzio's offered a chainsaw like attack instead of the EMG's more sterile laser cutter like sound.

    My style has changed over the past couple of years to a lot more leads and much less palm muting crunch and this is where the biggest difference lies. EMG's provide a very crisp sound and are great for some guitarists but I agree with the article completely that you may grow out of them. I also agree that many of the best Metal sounds come from passive pickups. Van Halen's first album is a great example. The guitar sound is top notch. Most of the great European Metal bands also use passive pickups and their sound is unmatched by many of their EMG touting counterparts.
     
  • Comment #23 (Posted by Gilgamesh)
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    its the player and the amp.. thats it.. you should be able to take a 100 dollar squier.. and get it to sound like a 1000 dollar fender after twisting some knobs on your amp.. you should be able to take a gibson explorer loaded with emgs and set up for metal and be able to "play" soft enough with your hands to add emphasis and feel and emotion... if you cant figure those things out on your own learn how to play drums.. or bass i guess..
     
  • Comment #24 (Posted by Nat)
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    Thanks for the eval. It helps me a lot as I am seeking to understand the difference between the 3k guitar vs the 800 guitar / pickups, amp, neck,strings
    etc. I still think its all bs and boils down to the pickups and a good amp i.e fender twin or good marshall amongst other brands. The rest is all tiny additional non critical improvements and cosmetics.
     
  • Comment #25 (Posted by SexPopSuicide Garett)
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    There is now a pick-up that bridges the gap between passive & active, it's the Dimarzio "DP-220", it is a passive pick-up that has been wound to emulate an active pick-ups frequency response, but without all the battery B.S.
    So, for the 59.99 you can make any cheap guitar sound in the same ballpark as any overpriced 'name-brand' guitar.
    -SexPopSuicide Garett.
     
  • Comment #26 (Posted by Goobz)
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    all i have to say about this article is that though the author is very knowledgeable and very thorough in his explainations, it seems as though he hasn't left the studio in a while. To get decent Metal tone out your rig you will need two things, inevidably.
    1. You must have a high gain tube amp. No pedals, solid state, digital b/s will give you as good of tone as a real tube amp. I suggest Mesa dual and triple rects, but even more then them i suggest the peavey 6505, 6505, 5150, and 5150II.
    2. a well built guitar with active pickups. to me there is just no other way to eliminate the terrible noise produced by hot passive pickups. gates kill tone, as does turning down your guitar or gain knob.

    In my experience those are two truths that have held true through all my gigs and practices, though for band practices you cant get away with using crap equipment because its less volume and less people to really hear ur gear. hope i've been helpful
     
  • Comment #27 (Posted by shawn)
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    I think that the article was written in a very non-bias way, merely showing from experience what p/u will provide certain sounds. I don't think it was pushing beliefs and I am an avid EMG 85 user. I upgraded around a year ago and have been playing for over 20 years. My taste is metal, hence the claim that these p/u's are good for that genre. I also use a jcm 900 w/ processor and I am honest, I can get the perfect sound for my type music, mainly the tool sound is my choice for years now. I love these p/u's. But to get a clear clean sound from them? I havent seen it yet, the amp? Yea partially, never been clean, the p/u's probably the other half, but I'm not into that, I want very deep, low end sustain til i die type sound and the EMG 85's totally do that for me (I only have 1 p/u at the moment). I was into the whole 80's sound in the 80's and I know that this set-up wouldn't do that since that era produced mids and highs, not much low end tone. I know that a near 2000 amp set-up really sounds like crap w/ crap p/u's so I can't say that it all comes to your form of amplification, p/u's have defined me in the genre of music I play. Passives (from my experience) don't suit me as well. But this is all an opinion and not fact, we can leave that up to you studio heds that deal w/ this on a daily basis.

    Thanks for the article though, many interesting points in there.
     
  • Comment #28 (Posted by mark)
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    I had a question. I do a lot of low heavy muted chunky stuff but I also like to use weird/full chords that ring out, sort of deftones/helmit like. For a super heavy sound while keeping clear for the full cords that ring out, would I be better off with the EMG's or a Duncan sh-6. Thanks!
     
  • Comment #29 (Posted by mark)
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    I meant to rate the article 5 and I don't know where that "&amp" shit after emg's came from.
     
  • Comment #30 (Posted by EMGfreak)
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    The article is right. EMG 81 was designed for metal mutes and aggressive punch for sustains. It's tonal characteristics are not compatible with 1980's tonal sounds nor is it compatible for Magadeath or Anthrax. Thanks for a good article. Like stated, for different sound qualities, change guitars like we do depending on the characteristics of the song being played -- actives crunch, passives sing. And this applies no matter what amplification you use if you know how to utilize the correct electronics for the given situation. Congrats on the right "tone" for your helpful article.
     
  • Comment #31 (Posted by evymtle)
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    very informative dude therefore great however being a metal player for 18 years i believe in active pickups mahogany guitar marshall tubes..well the peavy 5150 ...
     
  • Comment #32 (Posted by Matt)
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    Excellent review.
     
  • Comment #33 (Posted by Ray Bork)
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    Its a pity you would not be caught playing AC/DC anymore. Angus Young could teach you something about tone with his stock Gibson SG and Marshall Valve amp. Comment #23 said it all.Have you ever played Live?
     
  • Comment #34 (Posted by Brandon Drury)
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    No matter what I write, someone has to pick out something and blow it way out of proportion.

    The entire article stated that I loved the AC/DC tone and that I considered the modern rock sound to be AC/DC with a little more gain.

    I have 100% respect for AC/DC and I do own a couple of their records and even a box set. However, with that said, I've evolved musically. I've forgotten the Back In Black solo and I have no intentions of learning it ever again. If you still want to play Back In Black, be my guest.

    How on Earth could criticize this article and say that "I could learn something from AC/DC tone" when my biggest gripe with the EMG 81 is that it simply can not get the AC/DC tone! Did you even read the article? I'm using their actual tone as a baseline to review this pickup and you are telling me that I could learn something from the tone. Can you logically think?

    Yes, I have played live. I've played about 40 shows, give or take. When running a recording studio there is no more time for live playing, but I do miss it.
     
  • Comment #35 (Posted by Ray Bork)
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    Man, I really rattled your cage,I can see blood vessels bursting all over your studio.Your article did'nt inform, did'nt entertain by clever writing. But your comment to me has amused me no end. I would buy you a beer but I fear you may have exploded!
     
  • Comment #36 (Posted by Christian)
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    I just recently retooled my 1985 Gibson Explorer Custom(1 of 500).I converted it to a baritone config with my own custom tuning B-F#-B-F#-B-D#.I refretted using stainless frets and when I went to select the pickup setup I have had many problems getting the right combo for this super fat lowend guitar.I want to tell everyone that what you are running through will play a big part in pickup selection.I had started off using Dimarzio's latest creation,drop sonic dp207.this pickup does not like clean,digitally driven effects or my roland/boss products at all.It would seem that they designed this with highend fat gain amps in mind.When I run the Dimarzio's through a Mesa dual or a Diezel rig it is unparalleled by anything else out there on the market.To put it plainly,It is the pro sound but you will need to compress it a little.If I run this setup in anything considered a cheap amp or use digital type amp's and gear it does not do so well and always ends up way to trebley regardless of what I do in my effects.Since all my gear is modern Roland VG-88/Boss GT8 the Dimarzio's do not like this gear so much.Since I am mostly playing and writing my music in a digital studio environment this setup is not good at all.I decided to try the 81/60 EMG combo to see if this would help my situation without having to pay $5000 for a Diezel amp.Much to my surprise the EMG's prooved to be the solution to my particular dilemna.I can even play clean sounds without any problems using the EMG's.In my own personal experiences I want to tell everyone out there that you really need to analyze what you need to achieve the sound you want.the passive vs active debate is not right or wrong.In my own personal tests the results came out like this:If you can afford a highend amp,passive pickups will exceed your expectations.If you are using lowend amps or are in the studio environment running direct the passives will deliver better results,especially if you are using digital means in which to overdrive/distort.So do your homework carefully before you go and buy pickups thinking it will improove your shitty amp.At the the end of the day it all comes down to:If you want the pro sound you have to buy the pro gear.I will conclude and say that I still have my Dimarzio's in my possesion in the event I ever buy that highend amp.
     
  • Comment #37 (Posted by Christian)
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    correction:about the studio environment i meant to say that the actives will do better than passives.i had made a clerical error in my post.
     
  • Comment #38 (Posted by Shuma)
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    I use EMG 81 in a bridge on cheap Ibanez SA for now, so it sounds much better for my taste than my previous bridge pup - SD PATB-1. Really simple way to obtain heavy chunky sound. No need for crowds of sofisticated pedals ets. Just put your guit jack into tube amplifier - and Zakk Wylde here and now right with you! Espetially i love the tone and easyness to acheive low-end flagioletes (fret noises), just like Zakk does. I don't know other pups, which are able to do such things. Sterile sound? Yes, a bit, but instead of that "live" color you have very clear and comfortable sound for operating extreme high-gain as easy, as clean sound. It's very useful thing on the stage, when you twisting and biting your guit crasy while playing riffs and solos. OK, 81 - isn't universal thing (I have Malmsteen's Dimarzio in a neck and SD in a middle for other purposes), but if you wanna go "wylde" - go with EMG 81 and don't look around. Period.
     
  • Comment #39 (Posted by john)
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    thats the information i was seekin' for. thk u man
     
  • Comment #40 (Posted by NICK)
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    why don't you all try the dimarzio X2N..
     
  • Comment #41 (Posted by Shawn)
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    Wow... someone should proof-read your writing before it is published.
     
  • Comment #42 (Posted by Curtis Williams)
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    ok, I will say one thing. all the tones you said you could not get with emg pickups, I have. and for that great GnR tone the emg 60 is the best pickup for that. for that acdc tone you can acheive that with an emg 58(yes 58 not 85)I also have gotten that overly bitey megadeth tone with the 81. I will also say to get those tones you are missing wire the emg's for 18 volts in series for all the emg advantages along with the passives advantages(seriously try it)in my opinion the only 2 passive pickups I will play are the dimarzio x2n. and the duncan custom. emg's can and will if you know what you are doing with them, get you THAT tone that you seek. just thought i'd help out. and try the 18 volt wiring it will eliminate that sterile sound and further more make your tone more organic. thanks for reading
     
  • Comment #43 (Posted by Donny)
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    Good description of the differences between active and passive pickups.
     
  • Comment #44 (Posted by Brett McNeill)
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    Several years ago I joined a band in which the other guitarist and I both played strats and had the exact same amps. Just about the only difference in our rigs was the pickup. He had a SD Invader(passive) and I had an EMG 81. While my guitar definitely had the thicker tone on the low-end, his had this bite and sharpness that mine couldn't touch. I love my EMG but if I were to go back and do it again, I'd look at all my pickup options.

    I think the people who rate this review as "poor" are EMG81 owners who are missing the bigger picture, it has it's place.
     
  • Comment #45 (Posted by Ronald)
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    The discussion has been very informative and very helpful, especially to a novice guitarist like me. But I agree fully with Shawn (comment 41). I guess musicians all need to be good at their music, because they mostly all write like they are illiterate.
     
  • Comment #46 (Posted by JUSTIN THORNE)
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    your article is bullshit emgs sound fucking amazing you could put those bitchs on a baseball bat and hit a homerun and that shit would sound good I have emgs in my esp m-10 the cheapest esp there is known to man and it sounds better then my friends mexican strat. Keep in mind I run elixir medium strings and an crate gx-15 your opinion is poor and crude in my perspective
     
  • Comment #47 (Posted by JohnnyRebs)
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    I'm currently using the 81(bridge) & 89(neck) combo in light guitars with bolt- on necks. The 89 with coil cut works great for clean, without the coil cut it's like an 85, which is to say it's creamy but not overly so. The 81 in the bridge position will NOT clean up, so if clean is your style, forget it. For high- gain distrotion, the 81 is hard to beat. I didn't see anyone mention the EMG's uncanny ability to reject the "bad" feedback but still be able to wail with the "good" feedback- I never get micrpohonic squeals or have to roll out of the EQ to prevent unwanted feedback with EMG's. And even better, the "good" feedback is there when you want it, controllable, and easy to generate.

    Harmonics jump off your fingers with this pickup and pick attack is superb. I've actually been able to lighten my attack some and still get good accentuation on the pick stroke, which makes for greater control and less fatigue.

    The REALLY unusual characteristic of the EMG 81 is it's ability to ring out individual chord notes in a distorted setting- even the high notes ring out strong- usually when playing a full chord with distortion the low notes dominate the chord and quite a bit of palm muting is required to allow the higher strings to break through. Not so with the 81- when you play the chord the higher strings ring out equally with the lower ones and you can hear each individual note in the chord despite the distortion.

    I dont' find the battery issue a problem. I'm using two batteries in my circuit due to the two active pickups and the batteries last a long time, so it's not much of an issue. I always have a spare 9v with me anyway for all the other gear I have that takes a 9v. Believe me, changing the battery is not even close to a dealbreaker.

    For music requiring high- gain and volume, the 81 will make you sound like a pro with alot less effort.
     
  • Comment #48 (Posted by steve)
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    i noticed the same thing and never knew why something did not feel right about the 81.you explain this well.i think i will put the 81 in a cheap guitar just to have it if i want that sound.
     
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