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Gibson guitars: My take on the recent quality debate

By  Bob Glastetter | Published  01/11/2007 | Guitars
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Gibson guitars: My take on the recent quality debate

? Well there is some disagreement on the state of Gibson’s quality these days. Some think it’s the worst it’s been or slipping compared to the last several years, pre 2004. So here’s my take on it. I do believe that very recently and this is January ’07 there have been some improvements in that regard. I have been seeing more consistency of the product line with less of those “lazy” mistakes. You know improperly cut nuts, loose frets and poor finishes are all signs of too much “hurry up”. The big kicker is that when you charge these prices folks are going to want a flawless guitar with no excuses! PRS guitars have definately set the bar high for flawless guitars in the same ballpark price range, now whether they have the same mojo is up to the individual but I would like to see Gibson get the quality control thing down. Again the newer models are much better across the board than say the last 2-3 years when it got pretty lousy.

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?So what are Gibson’s problems at the moment? Well too many little mistakes for the price you’re paying, it’s just that simple. Most of the problems are minor and easily remedied but they should have never passed quality control and gotten to the stores. One would have to reason that this is because of too much “hurry up” at the factory to get the guitars out. Gibson is producing record numbers of guitars, even with the high prices they ?are struggling to get the product to the dealers. Gibson just needs to slow it down a bit and make sure guitars aren’t shipped out that aren’t right.

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?So what’s good about the modern era? Well only a Gibson sounds like a Gibson. They still make a very toneful and well playing guitar of high quality tonewoods. They may not be as happening as the old vintage guitars but certainly NOBODY can compete with the variety and tone of Gibson’s ENTIRE product line. They still offer all their best and most popular models and are MUCH better than the guitars of the '70’s Norlin era, and for the going rates the vintage dealers are charging for those the new Gibson’s are actually a much better value and instrument. I do believe that you’ll probally never see a Gibson as good as the 50’s but that’s primarily due to the large numbers they churn out in the modern era. There is no way to retain the same quality of the classic years when you are producing so many guitars with less high quality tonewoods and your construction methods have changed for cost cutting measures, but there is hope! The glory years for Gibson yielded incredible guitars that will be almost impossible to duplicate but that doesn’t mean the new ones can’t sound great.

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? There are some things Gibson is doing right. Although very pricey the new VOS series and the Historic range are the consistently best instruments they’ve ever done since the “golden years”. These guitars offer a better instrument than the normal product line with more highly selected tonewoods, premium pickups, parts and an overall better built guitar. On the affordable side the “faded” series is really successful and those guitars just can not be beat for the money, much better than the Epiphones for just a tad less dough. So one would have to reason that Gibson has heard the cries of the slipping quality and are now on the upswing for continued success, Gibson most surely is here to stay and could be poised to be “almost” better than ever in the near future.

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  • Comment #1 (Posted by ranger82nd)
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    Very interesting article. I have an "epi" Les Paul standard plus, for now this plays great
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by Simon)
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    I spent months of 06 trying to find a good LP and failed - the actual meaning of the word 'quality' seems to have disapeared from their charter all together.
    I even tried SG's which also seemed to be looking, feeling and sounding rough. I will be steering clear of even the lightest contemplation of Gibson products in future.
    To be fair though Mexican Fenders are now way better than US built ones.
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Mr. Joey Velour)
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    I've been contemplating a '57 Goldtop reissue for my 50th birthday. I appreciate all of the honest reviews I've read of the quality problems with Gibson, especially considering that these people had just spent over 3k on a custom instrument from one of the so-called best guitar manufacturers in the world. I think instead I shall pick myself up a nice Victoria Bassman! Thank you for the head's up!
     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by Jim Clarke)
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    Well, here's my 2 cents worth....it's not pretty. I have been playing for 30 some years and have owned 4 Les Pauls. 3 years ago I bought a new Les Paul Custom, it has rarely been played and never out of the house, has spent most of it's life in the case. (I just dont play in bands anymore). Out of all that I have owned this is the biggest hunk of garbage of them all, I would swear this thing is inferior in quality to an Epiphone...sigh. Since it has spent most of it's life unplayed I am totally disgruntled and will most likely never buy a Gibson again. To start off with, it was ordered through a local shop, when I got it I noticed that on the heel of the neck the paint was not sprayed correctly, IE it was barely hit and is a brownish color, not the Alpine white it should be. I wrote this off (though for the money I should have demanded another one)and just ignored it. Recently I decided to put in some SD pickups and much to my dismay after putting them I inspected the guitar, just to make sure I hadn't dinged anything. Where the paint was thin on the heel, the paint is cracking or checking, whatever you want to call it....but the worst part is on the neck, one whole side has a crack/check where the binding meets the wood. I am so P'd off, 3 year old 2500 guitar that has essentially not been played and has been climate and temp controlled, is in this condition...just horrible quality IMHO. So in looking at this closer it turns out that not only has one whole side cracked, but the bindings aren't even with the wood on the neck. One side has a ridge where the binding hangs over and the other side is the reverse. All in all I feel really cheated by Gibson, and as per their warranty, since the Pickups have been changed I have no recourse to have it fixed by them. In the end to fix this will cost me loads of money, that I should not have to spend ( I thought that paying for a custom shop guitar would yield a decent instrument). So now I'm either stuck with a guitar that is deteriorating rapidly (coz noone will want to buy it in this condition, and if they did I would take a bath on what I could get), or my other option pay loads of money to fix what should have never happened....and I'm not even going down the small stuff road, the inlays, etc. I wish I had kept my Jackson SL-1 at this point, the guitar cost me less and the craftsmanship was superior to this, the bindings were perfect and the finish never had a hint of a problem...andit was played out and used extensivly. If anyone knows of a really good luthier please e-mail me the info. Putting out instruments like this, at this price is exactly why people ghost-build Les Pauls....My advice if your looking...Don't buy a Gibson, and as far as manufacturing...a lot of guitars are mass produced and do not have the quality issues that Gibson has. I will never buy another Gibson, I feel like I went to buy a Mercedes and afterwards found out it was a Hyundai with a Mercedes emblem glued on it. If anyone from Gibson ever looks here, you lost a customer for life. I was going to buy a 335, but there is no way after this I would ever give Gibson my hard earned again. You can make a lot more money by fixing something bad you put out and making customers happy, than sticking them with it and saying "oh, what a shame...but the newer ones are going to be better"...like I should have to buy another one. Bottom line, Gibson is and has been losing their customers confidence that they put out quality instruments, you don't get return business by producing sub-par product and charging premium prices. I am very disgruntled and feel very ripped off by Gibson, the only thing that would change my mind is if Gibson were willing to repair their product (at no cost to me, hey Ive already paid), but that's not going to happen...shame, I used to love Les Pauls, now it seems they are just mass produced shells of what they used to be.
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by Ronnie Williams)
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    Hi,
    I'm in Australia. I have previously owned two 355s (both superb)and recently tried for my third, a Lucille. The first, manufactured mid 2006 had the worst finish on the neck I have ever seen on any guitar at any price. In fact, I'd never seen anything like it before! It was so bad that two luthiers wondered if it had been repaired/resprayed (though it hadn't). It was returned and replaced (a chore itself because I'm 1,000 miles from the Australian distributor). The replacement, built in 2005 this time, was almost as bad - though not quite - and on this one a machine head had been attached at what could be considered a dizzy angle.
    Although I obviously qualify for a refund - all I want is another 355! There's another shipment on the way to Oz at the moment - should be here in a couple of weeks.
    I'm encouraged by Bob's comments - I've been feeling like I'm trapped in the Twilight Zone - and I hoping attempt #3 will have been manufactured recently.
    Bob, if you get to see these comments, I'd appreciate it if you could drop me an email to: admin@ronniewilliams.com I can then send you some pics of what I'm on about - I'd be really interested in your comments.
    Ronnie
     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by Bob C)
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    Hi, me too I'm afraid! I have two Gibsons, a '95 LP Standard and an '81 ES335. Both guitars ROCK. I recently bought a 2006 335 to take the heat off my beloved '81 model that I have gigged with 5 nights a week for 10 years. I bought it over the phone confident that it would be as good as the other two guitars, and because I'm left handed I don't have the luxury of choice that right handed players do. Well from the word go I took it to work and noticed immediately that it was too harsh on the top strings and no body on the bottom but things got worse. I have no trouble tuning my other two guitars but as I ventured up the neck I found that the intonation was lacking. I tried all of the next day to make adjustments and could not seem to get it right. I took it to my excellent repairman and he said I'd bought myself a lemon as we are fond of saying in Australia. I managed to sell it on ebay for nearly what I paid for it to some guy who seems happy enough but is perhaps not as discerning as I am. Professionals who spend big money expect professional guitars. Never will I buy a new Gibson again. I will just have to cherish my '81 335 and treat her with the love and respect she deserves. Just don't do it! buy an old one...
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by Doc)
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    My comment isn't about Gibson but what you asked for. Anyone could've written this article and it could've been about any number of manufacturers. There's nothing all that informative; rather general at best, redundant to say the least. Where was the debate? Where was useful information? Todays Gibson guitars are still a better buy than those vntage models of the 70's? Whose aren't?
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by ryanhawk)
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    Thanks for the info.
    I was contemplating buying a Gibson Explorer here soon, yet I am surprised to hear about the quality problems that Gibson is having!
    IMO, if you pay over 500 for ANY guitar, quality had better be top notch and if its over 1000, flawless!! Gibson had better grab their ears and pull their heads out of their aes! Poor quality on Gibson's part is setting the stage for PRS, Fender, Ibanez or someone else to eat them alive! Before (or if) I do buy a Gibson I'm going to scrutinize every inch of it. If I find the slightest (again THE SLIGHTTEST) flaw on a 1000 guitar, then Gibson, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine and I'll go with a PRS! Consider yourself warned, Gibson!
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by Buddy )
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    Bough Gibson over 1000 and it is a lemon will not stay in Tune ,had it back 5 times since Jan 07 they say nothing is wrong but after tuning it will only stay in tune for first 3 minutes of playing and then you are screwed .like I was by the dealer in Canada and you know who you are so willl will not mention your name
     
  • Comment #10 (Posted by mac)
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    I have had a few Gibsons over the years, mostly SG and Les Paul models. I currently have 3 LPs and 1 SG special. One of th LPs is a '77 Kalamazoo-built beast, the others are 90's Nashville and the SG is '04 Nashville. The Nash guitars are all very nice instruments, well made and well finished BUT the gold plate on one is tarnishing and that is not acceptable in a high-end guitar. Otherwise they are good.

    Pick up the '77 Kalamazoo, though, and it's a different world. It's been well used over the years but it still plays and sounds better than the modern guitars and feels brilliant in your hands-- and this is a '70's Gibson, the era that most armchair pundits can't wait to slam (And it has the volute and the big headstock.) But you know that neck is hand-finished and NOTHING--nothing comes close to the sound of old Patent Number or PAF pups. They're nothing like as hot as the modern ones but man do they have soul.

    So I can't comment on the present situation, but to me, the modern Gibsons are high-quality guitars mass-produced to a high standard; but the old ones were craftsman-built instruments with soul. There's a difference. I LOVE my '77 Les Paul.
     
  • Comment #11 (Posted by loki)
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    Just purchased the Shredder V. After really checking it over and playing, I noticed how much the quality really sucks. Terrible fret job, the guitar will not stay in tune. The whole top part of the neck(part of neck facing you when your looking down) looks like they forgot to finish it, sharp edges, paint missing. When I put strap locks on the guitar, I noticed the screws were stipped on the original ones. When you look at the guitar in the right light, you can see ripples and uneven areas in the wood. More effort was put into the case for this thing. This guitar was not cheap. This is the first gibson ive purchased, and will stay clear from them from now on.
     
  • Comment #12 (Posted by G man)
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    I have just purchased a 2009 Traditional and the quality is excellent bar the typical finish line down either side of the fingerboard. Much better than any recent Gibson I've played or owned. Maybe they are getting the message - this one had the Plek'd frets...something they were always poor with.
     
  • Comment #13 (Posted by Charlie)
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    More of a question, really. I have an ES-135 made in the early 90's that seems fine to me - but I not a professional player by any means. It appears to be of good quality although I was wondering if I should swap out the P-100's for P-90's and if i could do it myself? Thanks.
     
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