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Brandon Drury
Owner of Echo Echo Studios, Brandon Drury, has recorded and mixed over 600 songs in his very busy home recording studio.  

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Learning Cubase VST 5 Not Going Well
By Brandon Drury | Published  05/25/2006
?So far, learning Cubase VST 5 has been a disaster. Let me explain my situation. I started recording back in 2001 with Sonic Foundry Vegas. Somewhere in there I decided that I wanted to get into midi sequencing so I purchased VST 5.0. Well, local band business sort of took off and Vegas was 100,000 easier to make records with so Cubase sort of got pushed to the side.

Five years and 700 songs later, hear I am...wanting to get back into midi sequencing. I debated about buying a newer version of some fairly high end sequencer, but I already had Cubase. I've been debating if maybe it would have been worth the money to get something else.

I've been plagued by one problem after another. Here's a list. Maybe some of this is due to ignorance on my part, but there are some bugs in this system and they are very frustrating.

  1. I have Cubase VST 5.0. I knew they had upgrades. I upgraded to 5.1r1. After a few problems, I decided to go with the latest upgrade 5.2pb1. Well, I can't 5.2pd1 to do anything. It's icon is different from that of Cubase VST Score or VST 32. In fact, I think it's the generic Windows icon that means “I don't know what this is”. Either way, I can not get 5.2pd1 to install. I know my way around a Windows PC and I'm baffled. I'm thinking that their file on their server is fried, but it's a little early to say for sure.

  2. The Cubase forum, www.cubase.net, will not let me login. I've tried it on 3 different browsers on 2 different computers. When I attempt to login, the screen freezes.

  3. The software is comprehensive and has it's little quirks. I understand that I have to bend over and take it for a while as I go through the fairly high learning curve. However some things are obvious flaws. For example, last night I made a stupid little 30 second bunch of noises. Everything synced properly. Today, I sat down to make a brand new 30 second bunch of noises. I noticed that my recorded midi tracks were very late. This would suggest latency, but I'm using VST instruments in Cubase while I'm playing. I figure if latency was an issue than the VST instrument would be behind as well.
    I figured maybe it was just some settings that I had wrong, so I opened the session from last night. (It appears that Cubase saves system junk with each song). Well, I went to add a track to it and it was severaly behind as well. (I'm talking an entire ? note).
    It's clear that something fundamentally changed in Cubase after the computer sat their for 12 hours. I didn't even restart.

So anyway, so far it's been one frustrating bug after another. If I could sit down and give this program 7 days per week, I think I could work around the bugs. Unfortunately, I have other obligations (like mixing records and recording bands) that makes it much more difficult to learn such a program.

 
Comments

  • Comment #1 (Posted by Brandon Drury)

    Well, things are going a little better now. I found the "reset devices" button and it seams to fix almost all the random crashes and gliches.

    Anything that is ran through the Windows Synth seams to have horrid latency. I'm still trying to figure out a way to disable it.

    I was actually able to make 2 stupid little 30 second "pieces" yesterday. So far, so good. Now it's just a matter of getting used to how the software "flows" for lack of a better word. It seams that every single thing about this program is counterintuitive. Maybe I'm just stubborn.

    Brandon
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by Brandon Drury)

    Hey Mike! If you need help, just ask in the forum. We have many cubase users there besides myself. Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you upgrade to Cubase SX3 if you have the money. To me, Cubase VST5 was like riding a clunky, rusty bicycle with rusty wheels. Nothing seamed to work correctly on it and it was just a hassle. Cubase SX3 is much more reliable and it's easier to make music...which is the whole point.

    Brandon
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Mike McCullough)

    Brandon,

    I have CuBase VST32/5.0. and it's good to find some one "current" on this software I am not much of a sound person and I'm learning ground floor. I thought I was going a bit crazy at first there are so many quirks but slowly it is training me. I'm not into the midi yet but a friend is and I've sent him your link. He's much more experienced than I.

    You mentioned latency...I imported a friends set of tracks (generated on an earlier version of CuBase and out of three harmony sections on the same vocal track the first two are late and the 3rd is on que. The first two are so late they sound like a "rondo" Fortunately we are just fooling around at this point but......pain if a serious take.

    Mike
     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by hesnotthemessiah)

    Hi Brandon. Sounds like this might be your problem (taken from posts posted by LOW99 on the Cubase.net forum):-

    "My money says you are running Windows XP in ACPI mode. If you CTRL-ALT-DEL, click on PERFORMANCE - how many CPU Usage history windows do you have. I bet it's two!

    There are hundreds of posts AND solutions on this forum about this problem, and Steinberg knowledgebase suggests you run Windows in STANDARD PC mode to cure it and there is plenty of advice on this forum and elsewhere on how to do that as well.

    It only affects Creative, M-Audio, EMU and on or two other manufacturers cards so an alternative is to use a different card/interface.

    Note the problem gets worse the longer you have a Cubase session running, so when you start its not too bad, but gets worse. If you reset then the clock starts again and its not too bad, but the notes get earlier and earlier the longer you go. You can even record in cycle/overdub mode, hit a note on every beat, and after 10 mins, you will be a whole beat early and you will see on the piano roll the notes getting earlier and earlier!"

    "So what are the solutions then IF you have the midi-note-early-and-gets-earlier problem:
    1) changing your PC from ACPI to Standard PC has cured the problem on the two PCs I experienced it with (one with M-Audio Audiophile 2496 and one with Creative Audigy 2). It is a pain to do, can create other problems and you lose power management, but it worked for me (thank goodness) and I won't go back to ACPI (though you can with a re-install).
    2) upgrading to Cubase SX (2 or 3 I am not sure which) - SX has a configurable tick-box where the way clock cycles are worked out is changed, curing this problem.
    3) use another sequencer - eg Sonar does not have this problem, even with ACPI, Creative combinations
    4) change your sound card to a non-Creative, EMU, M-Audio one (I think someone mentioned they had the problem with Tascam as well).
    5) change your PC /motherboard (and pray the motherboard is one that doesn't create the issue because I can't tell you which chipsets are affected)
    6) Go back to an older operating system (eg Windows ME) as ACPI mode in XP introduced the problem in the first place."

    link to this full thread:-http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=42123&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25


    I have this problem too and have to use the "Reset Devices" option everytime I want to record. I will possibly buy another sequencer soon, when I have time to relearn a new one - probably EnergyXT2 when it's released. Definately not buying a Steinberg sequencer again though, that's for sure.

     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by paul)

    hi last week the sound just wentb off in cubase all other things seem to work thru the soundcard bar cubase?
    i have tried looking at thr audio setup and all seems fine??

    can anybody help??

    paul
     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by shuan)

    uuuhm try unplugin your sound card if its external and restartig windows..
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by dorigin.co.uk)

    yep he is smack on the button vst 5 is hard to master.
    I use m-fast auodio for a soun card and its the buissnes
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by KoKo)

    Waht A Lame review WTF is this
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by Brandon Drury)

    I'm curious how you arrived at this being a review. It's a blog where I was voicing my frustration and problems with Cubase VST 5.1 from over 4 years ago.

    While I definitely write all sorts of reviews, I generally state that I'm doing a review in a more formalized fashion.

    Brandon