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		<title>By: Doug Hazelrigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Hazelrigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When these sort of issues come up, I tend to dismiss them because at the end of the day, the quality of the song and performance are far more important...EXCEPT when a guitar amp is involved. For me, in guitar-driven rock and pop, the tone of the tone of the amp is integral to the quality of the song and performance.

I agree with Brandon -- the various emulators were always missing something and for me they were therefore unusable. Until I hear VAR -- close enough to perfection to be negligible! I actually like its limitations -- tells me the developers really concentrated on getting just a few critical things right, as opposed to getting a lot of things marginally acceptable.

Great review, Brandon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When these sort of issues come up, I tend to dismiss them because at the end of the day, the quality of the song and performance are far more important...EXCEPT when a guitar amp is involved. For me, in guitar-driven rock and pop, the tone of the tone of the amp is integral to the quality of the song and performance.</p>
<p>I agree with Brandon -- the various emulators were always missing something and for me they were therefore unusable. Until I hear VAR -- close enough to perfection to be negligible! I actually like its limitations -- tells me the developers really concentrated on getting just a few critical things right, as opposed to getting a lot of things marginally acceptable.</p>
<p>Great review, Brandon</p>
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		<title>By: guidav</title>
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		<dc:creator>guidav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a true tube amp fanatic ! However the processessor simulation stuff has came a long way and sometimes convenience wins when it comes to  practice , scratch tracks or whatever. But i haven&#039;t ever heard anything that can replace a tube amp when used properly !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a true tube amp fanatic ! However the processessor simulation stuff has came a long way and sometimes convenience wins when it comes to  practice , scratch tracks or whatever. But i haven't ever heard anything that can replace a tube amp when used properly !</p>
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		<title>By: Girore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not sure how many people have attended a real “big boy” session. It’s SLOW SLOW SLOW.&quot; 

I know exactly what you mean, i&#039;ve done that and i never liked it.
I always got stuck for hours and hours creating the right sound, it&#039;s a killer for your playing and it&#039;s a killer for your time and money, even if you have the right attitude.
Since i record myself i understand better now the time and effort it takes to do it right.

Recording music has changed alot the past decade, nowadays it is possible to make a record at home without the need for the enormous studio&#039;s and equipment that used to be there for a quality record.

Still i like working in a studio environment because your not in your average home situation and it does have it&#039;s magic if you are working with a band, or a singer for that matter.(much more fun!!!)

In my case time is the big issue and therefore i use these plugins and everything else that helps me in my workflow.

As for the record,
My own equipment is an ART SGX2000 effects and preamp and two Gallien and Krueger backline 100 amps.
Old , i know, but it works.

For the plugins i use amplitube and guitarrig and, of coarse, the ART studio preamp ( only 45 euro&#039;s here in Holland)

grtz. Girore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I’m not sure how many people have attended a real “big boy” session. It’s SLOW SLOW SLOW." </p>
<p>I know exactly what you mean, i've done that and i never liked it.<br />
I always got stuck for hours and hours creating the right sound, it's a killer for your playing and it's a killer for your time and money, even if you have the right attitude.<br />
Since i record myself i understand better now the time and effort it takes to do it right.</p>
<p>Recording music has changed alot the past decade, nowadays it is possible to make a record at home without the need for the enormous studio's and equipment that used to be there for a quality record.</p>
<p>Still i like working in a studio environment because your not in your average home situation and it does have it's magic if you are working with a band, or a singer for that matter.(much more fun!!!)</p>
<p>In my case time is the big issue and therefore i use these plugins and everything else that helps me in my workflow.</p>
<p>As for the record,<br />
My own equipment is an ART SGX2000 effects and preamp and two Gallien and Krueger backline 100 amps.<br />
Old , i know, but it works.</p>
<p>For the plugins i use amplitube and guitarrig and, of coarse, the ART studio preamp ( only 45 euro's here in Holland)</p>
<p>grtz. Girore</p>
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		<title>By: brandondrury</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandondrury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a studio you don’t want to spend too much time on mic placement, cable wiring, acoustics etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure how many people have attended a real &quot;big boy&quot; session.  It&#039;s SLOW SLOW SLOW.  Everyone takes their sweet ass time getting there.  They take their sweet ass time setting up.  Etc.  I can&#039;t believe the total lack of sense of urgency.  I have to force myself to calm down because I feel the need to get in their and kick butt....which you must absolutely do if you are making an album ep or even more than 2 song recording in a weekend.

So for the big boys who&#039;ve got a 3 weeks to get their guitar tracks done, they can take their time with the real amps and get them really smokin&#039;.  I&#039;ve heard story after story of bands taking 3 days to get their guitar sounds before going to war.  That&#039;s great and all, but for those of us who don&#039;t have such time to record a band, simply plugging into an emulator and going is infinitely more practical.  

I&#039;m not saying that I always use emulators.  I still prefer the real thing when I have the time and inclination, but I agree with you.  The workflow side of the emulators makes them outstanding for guys who are relatively new to engineering or don&#039;t have the time to deal with all  the non-creative complications that amp recording can cause.

Brandon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a studio you don’t want to spend too much time on mic placement, cable wiring, acoustics etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure how many people have attended a real "big boy" session.  It's SLOW SLOW SLOW.  Everyone takes their sweet ass time getting there.  They take their sweet ass time setting up.  Etc.  I can't believe the total lack of sense of urgency.  I have to force myself to calm down because I feel the need to get in their and kick butt....which you must absolutely do if you are making an album ep or even more than 2 song recording in a weekend.</p>
<p>So for the big boys who've got a 3 weeks to get their guitar tracks done, they can take their time with the real amps and get them really smokin'.  I've heard story after story of bands taking 3 days to get their guitar sounds before going to war.  That's great and all, but for those of us who don't have such time to record a band, simply plugging into an emulator and going is infinitely more practical.  </p>
<p>I'm not saying that I always use emulators.  I still prefer the real thing when I have the time and inclination, but I agree with you.  The workflow side of the emulators makes them outstanding for guys who are relatively new to engineering or don't have the time to deal with all  the non-creative complications that amp recording can cause.</p>
<p>Brandon</p>
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		<title>By: Girore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Rich,

In a couple of years everybody is using plugins to make their tone.
It&#039;s also a matter of time,economics and reliability.
In a studio you don&#039;t want to spend too much time on mic  placement, cable wiring, acoustics etc.
Plug in and record immediately that&#039;s the deal we are going for and maybe in a lot of cases this is already true.
Is this a bad thing?
I don&#039;t think so.
Technics evolve and it should be that way or else we would still be flying in double decker airplanes!

Al these plugins don&#039;t say anything about your playing skills, that&#039;s where the difference is and that&#039;s where the new guitar hero&#039;s will rise.

I like amps, i like plugins, i prefer plugins when i&#039;m recording, i prefer amps when i&#039;m playing with a band.
I can foresee the day that i will be playing with a &quot;laptop&quot; on stage, a bit weird (I&#039;ve tried it)
but it works.

Girore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Rich,</p>
<p>In a couple of years everybody is using plugins to make their tone.<br />
It's also a matter of time,economics and reliability.<br />
In a studio you don't want to spend too much time on mic  placement, cable wiring, acoustics etc.<br />
Plug in and record immediately that's the deal we are going for and maybe in a lot of cases this is already true.<br />
Is this a bad thing?<br />
I don't think so.<br />
Technics evolve and it should be that way or else we would still be flying in double decker airplanes!</p>
<p>Al these plugins don't say anything about your playing skills, that's where the difference is and that's where the new guitar hero's will rise.</p>
<p>I like amps, i like plugins, i prefer plugins when i'm recording, i prefer amps when i'm playing with a band.<br />
I can foresee the day that i will be playing with a "laptop" on stage, a bit weird (I've tried it)<br />
but it works.</p>
<p>Girore</p>
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		<title>By: brandondrury</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandondrury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a mix, guitar simulation is working&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think this angle is the name of the game.  Sometimes....in certain situations, the emulators have their limitations.  However, when you actually go through the whole mess of mixing, you often find that these limitations are non-existent or at least non-apparent most of the time.  

For many beginners, especially those who love their guitar rigs, it&#039;s a tricky business actually getting that tone to come through without boxiness, fizziness, or weirdness on the recording.  Often the emulators have a &quot;more there&quot; sound even with their limitations.  

Brandon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a mix, guitar simulation is working</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this angle is the name of the game.  Sometimes....in certain situations, the emulators have their limitations.  However, when you actually go through the whole mess of mixing, you often find that these limitations are non-existent or at least non-apparent most of the time.  </p>
<p>For many beginners, especially those who love their guitar rigs, it's a tricky business actually getting that tone to come through without boxiness, fizziness, or weirdness on the recording.  Often the emulators have a "more there" sound even with their limitations.  </p>
<p>Brandon</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guitar amp modeling has come a VERY long way. If you spent any quality time with AmpliTube Fender, Overloud TH1, Studio Devil Pro (the new version), and Guitar Rig 4 (with control room) you&#039;ll realize that it&#039;s so close now that for the time you&#039;ll spend dialing in the &quot;real&quot; thing, you could get more milage with one of these. I&#039;ve followed this topic in great detail over at the KVR forums and on guitarampmodeling.com. We are better than 90% of the way there. Recently, Computer Music magazine assembled a panel of working engineers who are used to hearing great guitar tones every day and asked them to do a blind test. In several cases they actually preferred the modeled tones and overall, the accuracy rate was not much better than 30%. So, there ya go! In a mix, guitar simulation is working and I bet it&#039;s being used on A LOT more records than we would realize. Imo, real amps are useful in live situation or to get a really unique tone for a recording. The bread and butter tones have been modeled plenty well enough. The average listening audience doesn&#039;t give two sh*ts anyway ;)

Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guitar amp modeling has come a VERY long way. If you spent any quality time with AmpliTube Fender, Overloud TH1, Studio Devil Pro (the new version), and Guitar Rig 4 (with control room) you'll realize that it's so close now that for the time you'll spend dialing in the "real" thing, you could get more milage with one of these. I've followed this topic in great detail over at the KVR forums and on guitarampmodeling.com. We are better than 90% of the way there. Recently, Computer Music magazine assembled a panel of working engineers who are used to hearing great guitar tones every day and asked them to do a blind test. In several cases they actually preferred the modeled tones and overall, the accuracy rate was not much better than 30%. So, there ya go! In a mix, guitar simulation is working and I bet it's being used on A LOT more records than we would realize. Imo, real amps are useful in live situation or to get a really unique tone for a recording. The bread and butter tones have been modeled plenty well enough. The average listening audience doesn't give two sh*ts anyway <img src='http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Girore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found that all the guitar plugins sound a bit flat.
It could be that this is because of the monitor speakers, but i never got THE sound.Not even with guitar speakers.
Then one day i asked and did get an ART studio preamp for my birthday.

It is not the best thing in the world but it defenitely does do something with these plugins, they sound like they should sound, they come to life, at least to my ears.

So maybe somebody else does have the same experience.
Write it down and let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found that all the guitar plugins sound a bit flat.<br />
It could be that this is because of the monitor speakers, but i never got THE sound.Not even with guitar speakers.<br />
Then one day i asked and did get an ART studio preamp for my birthday.</p>
<p>It is not the best thing in the world but it defenitely does do something with these plugins, they sound like they should sound, they come to life, at least to my ears.</p>
<p>So maybe somebody else does have the same experience.<br />
Write it down and let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Tweed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Tweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried the demo of Vintage Amp Room and agree with Brandon. It is great and I&#039;m going to buy it. I&#039;m also going to get Acoustic Feedback which really adds a dimension of liveness to things (use it as first plug in). Also worth looking at is GR4 Pro, because of the new Control Room feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've tried the demo of Vintage Amp Room and agree with Brandon. It is great and I'm going to buy it. I'm also going to get Acoustic Feedback which really adds a dimension of liveness to things (use it as first plug in). Also worth looking at is GR4 Pro, because of the new Control Room feature.</p>
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		<title>By: EleventhDecibel</title>
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		<dc:creator>EleventhDecibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have the same problem as you, Brandon. I just can&#039;t get studio (and computer) monitors to provide a good electric guitar translation. I&#039;m thinking it&#039;s probably in the makeup of the speakers voice coils being different from standard guitar speakers. However, I&#039;ve tried running from my Presonus out straight into my guitar amp speakers, bypassing all circuitry, and it still sounds tinny/harsh/whatever you want to call it. It&#039;s not pleasant at all. I&#039;d give my left nut to hear an authentic sound out of my monitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have the same problem as you, Brandon. I just can't get studio (and computer) monitors to provide a good electric guitar translation. I'm thinking it's probably in the makeup of the speakers voice coils being different from standard guitar speakers. However, I've tried running from my Presonus out straight into my guitar amp speakers, bypassing all circuitry, and it still sounds tinny/harsh/whatever you want to call it. It's not pleasant at all. I'd give my left nut to hear an authentic sound out of my monitors.</p>
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