Comments on: Digidesign Pro Tools: Rethinking The Industry Standard Mentality http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/ Make Home Recordings Pro Audio Recordings Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:25:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Lynn Morgan http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-9513 Lynn Morgan Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:39:15 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-9513 Lloyd, I agree that Pro Tools is a big learning curve, but they all are. It took me months to learn it and I'm still learning, but I love it now. It's been rewarding and very profitable. Get a DVD on PT, it will be a big help. learn as you watch the DVD. In general recording tips this site is also good, Brandon seems to know his stuff! I like PT because I have a lot of other musician friends who use it so it is easy to integrate with them. Keep at it, you'll get it! Lloyd, I agree that Pro Tools is a big learning curve, but they all are. It took me months to learn it and I'm still learning, but I love it now. It's been rewarding and very profitable. Get a DVD on PT, it will be a big help. learn as you watch the DVD. In general recording tips this site is also good, Brandon seems to know his stuff! I like PT because I have a lot of other musician friends who use it so it is easy to integrate with them. Keep at it, you'll get it!

]]> By: Brandon Drury http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-9512 Brandon Drury Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:34:01 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-9512 Hey Lloyd! <blockquote>Ive been very disappointed with all the extra crap gotta get just to record acoustuc guitar and vocals.</blockquote> I call you guys the Johnny Cash Recorders. All you need is an acoustic guitar and a vocal to blow someone's head off. The problem is music has evolved to the point that if a person wants to record you one day, make a movie score orchestra the next day, and then a techno dance song the next they need software that can do all of it. The good news is the refrigerator at Norad works the same as your's at home. In other words, you can ignore all the nuclear detonation buttons and focus on just the stuff to get audio in, routed to your track, and then recorded. The good thing is when you feel the need to maybe wipe an island from existence (and this may come up more...or less than you think) you've got it. Lloyd, I highly recommend my free book:<a href="http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/killer-home-recording-setting/" rel="nofollow">Killer Home Recording: Setting Up</a> I think it will help tremendously. If you run into problems make a forum post and email me the link. I'll help you. Hey Lloyd!

Ive been very disappointed with all the extra crap gotta get just to record acoustuc guitar and vocals.

I call you guys the Johnny Cash Recorders. All you need is an acoustic guitar and a vocal to blow someone's head off.

The problem is music has evolved to the point that if a person wants to record you one day, make a movie score orchestra the next day, and then a techno dance song the next they need software that can do all of it.

The good news is the refrigerator at Norad works the same as your's at home. In other words, you can ignore all the nuclear detonation buttons and focus on just the stuff to get audio in, routed to your track, and then recorded. The good thing is when you feel the need to maybe wipe an island from existence (and this may come up more...or less than you think) you've got it.

Lloyd, I highly recommend my free book:Killer Home Recording: Setting Up I think it will help tremendously. If you run into problems make a forum post and email me the link. I'll help you.

]]> By: Lloyd Burgett http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-9509 Lloyd Burgett Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:01:03 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-9509 Guys,I'm a total neophite here,but so far with protools ess. 8 Ive been very disappointed with all the extra crap gotta get just to record acoustuc guitar and vocals.every time I turn around I need to buy something else.Ive had it for 6 months and between the utter complexity and not having the right external hard drive or whatever the hell else they keep tellin me I gotta have,I'm sick to death of the Industry standard.And still haven't figured out how to record note one.thnx Guys,I'm a total neophite here,but so far with protools ess. 8 Ive been very disappointed with all the extra crap gotta get just to record acoustuc guitar and vocals.every time I turn around I need to buy something else.Ive had it for 6 months and between the utter complexity and not having the right external hard drive or whatever the hell else they keep tellin me I gotta have,I'm sick to death of the Industry standard.And still haven't figured out how to record note one.thnx

]]> By: Ilia http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-3541 Ilia Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:32:38 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-3541 By the way, Brandon, here in the UK the government is much more relaxed about vehicles. You can drive a rusty Camaro at 70 miles per hour (UK speed limit) regardless of where you steering wheel is (and I've seen it), as long as you keep on the proper side of the road, there are even dealers specialising in non-UK drive cars. I think it just reinforces your point about the stupidity of restrictions... Bizzarrely, a side-car has to be on a certain side, which non-UK bikes wouldn't have then.... I rather like the sound and workflow of Reaper, I don't think it falls below Cubase or Sonar. My favourite is Ableton - it's got a particular colour to the sound that makes it easier to blend tracks... Ilia By the way, Brandon, here in the UK the government is much more relaxed about vehicles. You can drive a rusty Camaro at 70 miles per hour (UK speed limit) regardless of where you steering wheel is (and I've seen it), as long as you keep on the proper side of the road, there are even dealers specialising in non-UK drive cars. I think it just reinforces your point about the stupidity of restrictions...

Bizzarrely, a side-car has to be on a certain side, which non-UK bikes wouldn't have then....

I rather like the sound and workflow of Reaper, I don't think it falls below Cubase or Sonar. My favourite is Ableton - it's got a particular colour to the sound that makes it easier to blend tracks...

Ilia

]]> By: How To Waste $10,000 On Recording Gear You Don’t Like | Home Computer Recording http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-3516 How To Waste $10,000 On Recording Gear You Don’t Like | Home Computer Recording Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:14:39 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-3516 [...] setup. Maybe not. The point isn't that I'm pushing Pro Tools HD3. (Most people know my views on Pro Tools.) The point is that the very fact that everyone THINKS they can't afford something is why that [...] [...] setup. Maybe not. The point isn't that I'm pushing Pro Tools HD3. (Most people know my views on Pro Tools.) The point is that the very fact that everyone THINKS they can't afford something is why that [...]

]]> By: Studiorat http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-2491 Studiorat Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:47:05 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-2491 Frankly, many of us are forced to use Pro Tools if we are engineering professionally, if for no other reason than clients expect it...actually Pro Tools has entered the lexicon as a verb (i.e. "can you Pro Tools my vocals man?") but having said that, I agree with most of the stated criticism of the software...I am running HD at work, so I don't run into many of the problems LE owners face, but let me tell you, we faced NUMEROUS problems when we first installed version 8. I do have LE installed on my home computers, but rarely use it...I am a firm SONAR devotee, and Producer 8.5 is my weapon of choice. In my opinion, it is coded far more robustly than PT, I have heard similar opinions voiced about Cubase, Logic etc....my advice is to do as much research as you can, and find the DAW that best fits your method of working, luckily, you can often download limited demos that will give you an idea of how the software works. Peace, Frank Frankly, many of us are forced to use Pro Tools if we are engineering professionally, if for no other reason than clients expect it...actually Pro Tools has entered the lexicon as a verb (i.e. "can you Pro Tools my vocals man?")
but having said that, I agree with most of the stated criticism of the software...I am running HD at work, so I don't run into many of the problems LE owners face, but let me tell you, we faced NUMEROUS problems when we first installed version 8. I do have LE installed on my home computers, but rarely use it...I am a firm SONAR devotee, and Producer 8.5 is my weapon of choice. In my opinion, it is coded far more robustly than PT, I have heard similar opinions voiced about Cubase, Logic etc....my advice is to do as much research as you can, and find the DAW that best fits your method of working, luckily, you can often download limited demos that will give you an idea of how the software works.

Peace,

Frank

]]> By: Morgan http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-2489 Morgan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:49:46 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-2489 I have been following this thread for a while. It's amazing what you can learn through the various blogs on the internet. Back in early 2008 I did purchase Pro-Tools LE along with Digidesign 003. Along with those I also purchased two Focusrite Liquid Channels and an Apogee Rosetta converter. I bought the Sweetwater Creation Station computer.I have some great mics as well. I did have a few issues with the 003 but it seems to be fine now. When I bought my gear I did some research and talked to one of my old producers in Nashville. He actually suggested Pro Tools. I also have a few musician friends that use PT as well. I was able to complete my Christmas album using PT and some WAVES plug-ins. I'm extremely happy with the results.You can check it out at my site if you would like at lynnmorganmusic.com. I realize now that you can achieve a great end product with any of the great softwares out there. For me, its Pro-Tools. I have been following this thread for a while. It's amazing what you can learn through the various blogs on the internet. Back in early 2008 I did purchase Pro-Tools LE along with Digidesign 003. Along with those I also purchased two Focusrite Liquid Channels and an Apogee Rosetta converter. I bought the Sweetwater Creation Station computer.I have some great mics as well. I did have a few issues with the 003 but it seems to be fine now. When I bought my gear I did some research and talked to one of my old producers in Nashville. He actually suggested Pro Tools. I also have a few musician friends that use PT as well. I was able to complete my Christmas album using PT and some WAVES plug-ins. I'm extremely happy with the results.You can check it out at my site if you would like at lynnmorganmusic.com. I realize now that you can achieve a great end product with any of the great softwares out there. For me, its Pro-Tools.

]]> By: HiFiGuy247 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-2488 HiFiGuy247 Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:41:56 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-2488 Several years ago, I invested $5,000 in a Digi 002 system and custom-built computer, based on the Digidesign recommended computer components publised on their User Forum (the information isn't in their Instruction Book- can you believe it?). It took over a year and several techs to figure out why the system continued to crash and generate ERROR codes almost every time we tried using the system. Digidesign has made an enormous error by not selling compatible recording computers along with their DAW's. Calling their Tech Support at $2.50 per MINUTE is ridiculous, especially when no one there can configure the hundreds of permutations of mother boards, chip sets, video cards, hard drives, etc. available when you're attempting to build the computer. DIGIDESIGN is a joke. Don't buy this product, as I know of hundreds of people that bought the 002 and had nothing but trouble with it. For instance, the internal power harness cable fails on a continuous basis, causing the system to malfunction, and it turns out that Digidesign had this cable made in China for pennies! The metal contacts on the power harness cable corrodes within months of buying the unit, which is unacceptable- even Chinese portable CD players that retail for $15 don't have these problems. The 003 is a replacement that supposedly corrects all of the faults of the 002 version, but there is still the lingering problem of computer incompatibility, which Digidesign has STILL not addressed! They expect the average musician to go out and buy the necessary computer parts, based on some incorrect and incomplete list of hardware they publish on their Forum. WHAT A JOKE! Does anyone here know of a mixer and software combination that can be purchased as a unit and will ACTUALLY WORK EVERY TIME IT IS TURNED ON? Several years ago, I invested $5,000 in a Digi 002 system and custom-built computer, based on the Digidesign recommended computer components publised on their User Forum (the information isn't in their Instruction Book- can you believe it?). It took over a year and several techs to figure out why the system continued to crash and generate ERROR codes almost every time we tried using the system. Digidesign has made an enormous error by not selling compatible recording computers along with their DAW's. Calling their Tech Support at $2.50 per MINUTE is ridiculous, especially when no one there can configure the hundreds of permutations of mother boards, chip sets, video cards, hard drives, etc. available when you're attempting to build the computer. DIGIDESIGN is a joke. Don't buy this product, as I know of hundreds of people that bought the 002 and had nothing but trouble with it.
For instance, the internal power harness cable fails on a continuous basis, causing the system to malfunction, and it turns out that Digidesign had this cable made in
China for pennies! The metal contacts on the power harness cable corrodes within months of buying the unit, which is unacceptable- even Chinese portable CD players that retail for $15 don't have these problems.
The 003 is a replacement that supposedly corrects all of the faults of the 002 version, but there is still the lingering problem of computer incompatibility, which Digidesign has STILL not addressed! They expect the average musician to go out and buy the necessary computer parts, based on some incorrect and incomplete list of hardware they publish on their Forum. WHAT A JOKE!
Does anyone here know of a mixer and software combination that can be purchased as a unit and will ACTUALLY WORK EVERY TIME IT IS TURNED ON?

]]> By: Magus http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-2383 Magus Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:36:43 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-2383 Good Article! People should be encouraged to think...lol... As you noted there are so many choices out there, one needs to know their goals and objectives, budget, space and size limitations, then custom tailor their choice of gear/daw to best suit their personal needs. It's also been my experience that if you commit to a certain software, the more proficient you become at using it. My studio has stuck with Reason and Pro Tools for over 4 years now. I'm not interested in switching based merely on the time I have invested in learning these programs, which I now know like the back of my hand. I think, therefore I am dangerous :-) Good Article! People should be encouraged to think...lol... As you noted there are so many choices out there, one needs to know their goals and objectives, budget, space and size limitations, then custom tailor their choice of gear/daw to best suit their personal needs.
It's also been my experience that if you commit to a certain software, the more proficient you become at using it. My studio has stuck with Reason and Pro Tools for over 4 years now. I'm not interested in switching based merely on the time I have invested in learning these programs, which I now know like the back of my hand.

I think, therefore I am dangerous :-)

]]> By: Bill1 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/recording-software/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/comment-page-1/#comment-2031 Bill1 Sat, 04 Apr 2009 03:16:40 +0000 http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/digidesign-pro-tools-rethinking-the-industry-standard-mentality/#comment-2031 Hi Brandon. Well as you know from many posts on your site i am using Pro tools Le7.3.1I know all about the upgrades as i had problems and lost my music over upgrading and having to go back due to the so called upgrades. I bought pro tools le as the name guitar center sold etc. and yes hey made plenty from me non stop buying of digi 002 console style into "i need a better sound etc buying thousands of dollars of waves plug ins and all their extras. The 002 dig LE has its own sound meaning a flat sound. now don't get me wrong i like it and i know it. I had my board mode at black lion audio. it was worth it only about $600.00 new pres , masterclock ,just about equal to a big ben plus. well i got used to it . It did and still gives me way more head room as i can now pump and push this little board never letting me down at all. now i feel the digi 002 stock was unk compaired to the mode. but i wanted more. I had to stack on top of iy a ADL600 presonus stereo/ mono pre amp/ with a Neumann U 87 and i had the tlc etc and fw. all became another step. my pre gave me better sound and clarity all around as i can use it on bass, gut, and voc its reat. not using any outboard pices over rides the mode so some i waisted money. i had to also stack a avalon stereo compressor on it to. Now i still want more. What i want is an HD set up but with a family so far i am up to thousand and thousand between instrument and plug ins nwell all is known. I am not really impressed with the LE. Although i won't get rid of it at all unless the day comes when this depression picks up as i have a contracting job outside my music. i dod not record for money. all is for my own music. As to nashville i have heard a recording from one place as a friend recorded there. they used pro tools LE then totally went to a large board i forget the name but RADAR and the sound is real pro. now, my pro tools with using all the good waves plug ins outside pre amps good mics just can't touch it. I have been on this thing as to the AB test of LE vrs HD only to know the difference but never "personally" have files in my hand to compare. The HD set up is a far bigger cost. Is it really worth the sound for the money. My mind keeps knowing i won't stop until i either get radar on this LE which they said it can be done or getting HD Once again i really like my pt LE as it took a lot of time and still i have so many other things to learn but i fell that in the recording parts i made it to knowing my limit of what PT LE is really gonna do. I just don't think it can keep up with the sound of a large studio. I have a friend now recording some pop music in a phila studio using pt HD . i am gonna get a copy of the song and import it and try to duplicat the sound. But the pro tools LE as i have seen many videos saying flat sound bla. bla .bla. i used to say come on. they arte just out to sell something eles well all i had to do to get it totally and i mean totally above the stock digi 002 took thousands. And next is to hook up my lyny aurorra 8 with card as it was sitting hear for a month. it is a AD DA convertor. That is a real know thing to really help talk the LE board into a whole step toward the so called HD '''sound " I have read that the sounds are so close. i have to still personally do the test before i really know as it will be me to know if i can hear the difference in the finished sound. all the talk over LE AND HD are so close. I am happy with 24 tracks . if recorded right 24 tracks can totally be enough. As to the upgrade to 8 the only 2 things i like and would use ie "elastic audio and the tempo change of a whole song" I am not into all ha midi stuff. i like playing real instrument . iam not too goo on keyboard and personally like playing the instruments over making a song with a ll those computer programs. Pro tools LE just has a flat sound to it when put up against the big studio mixes. and that is no matter what well say what i have tried to bring the system up to and i think i really took it totally into another sound closer to a goal of getting on top or lets say close to a HD set up from a LE set up . but the time i reach a HD set up sound i will have spent the $ 10 grand in out board pieces to do so. Well the Avalon compressor needed, ADL pre amp Lynx aurrora 8 and card welli am at about $ solid 7,500 plus about 500 in real good cables . So all i can do is hope this world gets back together because my next major thing is a hd set up and card or fining out if the radar is giving that real top quality sound over and above the HD. My only thing i am waiting for is a mastered song from a super mastering house to really see if the LE can sound as good as a HD when real final steps of real mastering has been done. " Hi Brandon. Well as you know from many posts on your site i am using Pro tools Le7.3.1I know all about the upgrades as i had problems and lost my music over upgrading and having to go back due to the so called upgrades.

I bought pro tools le as the name guitar center sold etc. and yes hey made plenty from me non stop buying of digi 002 console style into "i need a better sound etc buying thousands of dollars of waves plug ins and all their extras.

The 002 dig LE has its own sound meaning a flat sound. now don't get me wrong i like it and i know it. I had my board mode at black lion audio. it was worth it only about $600.00 new pres , masterclock ,just about equal to a big ben plus.

well i got used to it . It did and still gives me way more head room as i can now pump and push this little board never letting me down at all.

now i feel the digi 002 stock was unk compaired to the mode. but i wanted more.

I had to stack on top of iy a ADL600 presonus stereo/ mono pre amp/ with a Neumann U 87 and i had the tlc etc and fw. all became another step. my pre gave me better sound and clarity all around as i can use it on bass, gut, and voc its reat. not using any outboard pices over rides the mode so some i waisted money. i had to also stack a avalon stereo compressor on it to.

Now i still want more. What i want is an HD set up but with a family so far i am up to thousand and thousand between instrument and plug ins nwell all is known.

I am not really impressed with the LE. Although i won't get rid of it at all unless the day comes when this depression picks up as i have a contracting job outside my music. i dod not record for money. all is for my own music.
As to nashville i have heard a recording from one place as a friend recorded there. they used pro tools LE then totally went to a large board i forget the name but RADAR and the sound is real pro. now, my pro tools with using all the good waves plug ins outside pre amps good mics just can't touch it.

I have been on this thing as to the AB test of LE vrs HD only to know the difference but never "personally" have files in my hand to compare.

The HD set up is a far bigger cost. Is it really worth the sound for the money.

My mind keeps knowing i won't stop until i either get radar on this LE which they said it can be done or getting HD

Once again i really like my pt LE as it took a lot of time and still i have so many other things to learn but i fell that in the recording parts i made it to knowing my limit of what PT LE is really gonna do.

I just don't think it can keep up with the sound of a large studio. I have a friend now recording some pop music in a phila studio using pt HD . i am gonna get a copy of the song and import it and try to duplicat the sound.

But the pro tools LE as i have seen many videos saying flat sound bla. bla .bla. i used to say come on. they arte just out to sell something eles well all i had to do to get it totally and i mean totally above the stock digi 002 took thousands. And next is to hook up my lyny aurorra 8 with card as it was sitting hear for a month. it is a AD DA convertor.

That is a real know thing to really help talk the LE board into a whole step toward the so called HD '''sound "

I have read that the sounds are so close. i have to still personally do the test before i really know as it will be me to know if i can hear the difference in the finished sound. all the talk over LE AND HD are so close.

I am happy with 24 tracks . if recorded right 24 tracks can totally be enough.

As to the upgrade to 8 the only 2 things i like and would use ie "elastic audio and the tempo change of a whole song" I am not into all ha midi stuff. i like playing real instrument . iam not too goo on keyboard and personally like playing the instruments over making a song with a ll those computer programs.

Pro tools LE just has a flat sound to it when put up against the big studio mixes. and that is no matter what well say what i have tried to bring the system up to and i think i really took it totally into another sound closer to a goal of getting on top or lets say close to a HD set up from a LE set up .

but the time i reach a HD set up sound i will have spent the $ 10 grand in out board pieces to do so.

Well the Avalon compressor needed, ADL pre amp Lynx aurrora 8 and card welli am at about $ solid 7,500 plus about 500 in real good cables .

So all i can do is hope this world gets back together because my next major thing is a hd set up and card or fining out if the radar is giving that real top quality sound over and above the HD.

My only thing i am waiting for is a mastered song from a super mastering house to really see if the LE can sound as good as a HD when real final steps of real mastering has been done.
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